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chicken little
hello everyone.... honestly i dont know how to start my first post.
i have been an avid reader of jwd for some time now, and now have decided to say hello.
i was raised as a witness, and have been baptized for 17 years.
Hello, and a warm welcome.ยจ
chicken little
i only knew you a little while, yet you touched my life and enriched it so much.. you were one of the outcasts if i viewed you from my past beliefs.. yet you shone as a true loving person.. you are gone to soon, way before your time.. i shall miss not having had the time to get to know you better.. rest from your sufferings, who knows what the future holds.... from the greatest joy comes the greatest suffering.. my love goes out to you.. .
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Thank you for your kind replies...I am just back from the funeral service at a lovely swedish church. It was so moving to see so many people that loved this couple so much, I counted over a 100 wreaths and the people filled the church.
It was a glorious sunny day and the beautiful graveyard in the countryside where he is laid to rest was so peaceful.
I have cried more tears today than I can ever remember, the well must run dry, yet they are springing up again.
My friend the exwitness could understand me when I said I was also crying for myself too. I felt guilt that I had not known this lovely person long enough...guilt for my past way of thinking. Humility in seeing so many people heartbroken to loose our friend. All had their stories to tell of a man who went out of his way to make everyone feel happy around him. Yes I have learnt from this experience, I will never shun, avoid anyone ever again no matter who I loose as a result.
Thanks again for your love
Chicken little....a bit hoarse with the cheeps today because of crying
and it is so sad, and so hard.
this is the one thing about losing my religion that has been the hardest for me.
it was so wonderful believing a person goes to sleep, a hope of waking up to a wonderful new world.
So sorry, I know what you are feeling. I sat with my friend while he died last week and today is the funeral. I felt peace watching him leave. I have no anwsers and that is ok with me. I know it was a privilage to be there with him and his loved ones when he died. I want to be joyful after the funeral today in celebration of a life that was filled with meaning.
Love to your family
Chicken little
i only knew you a little while, yet you touched my life and enriched it so much.. you were one of the outcasts if i viewed you from my past beliefs.. yet you shone as a true loving person.. you are gone to soon, way before your time.. i shall miss not having had the time to get to know you better.. rest from your sufferings, who knows what the future holds.... from the greatest joy comes the greatest suffering.. my love goes out to you.. .
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My friend was gay and married for over 12 years. I knew of him through a friend who had been a witness, yet I kept my distance. When I left the witnesses two years ago I met this couple. A more loving, caring person you would seach long to find. His humour and positive life attitude was so infectious. His sudden sickness was a shock for all, his death such a blow. He died because of mistakes at the hospital, it was so unnecessary.
I am so sad I did not know him longer, my past prevented that...I will never again allow this to happen. Now I can be of support to his partner, he is a christian and a nurse, his love and compassion for people is endless.
I am crying for myself and my friend today.
i only knew you a little while, yet you touched my life and enriched it so much.. you were one of the outcasts if i viewed you from my past beliefs.. yet you shone as a true loving person.. you are gone to soon, way before your time.. i shall miss not having had the time to get to know you better.. rest from your sufferings, who knows what the future holds.... from the greatest joy comes the greatest suffering.. my love goes out to you.. .
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I only knew you a little while, yet you touched my life and enriched it so much.
You were one of the outcasts if I viewed you from my past beliefs.
Yet you shone as a true loving person.
You are gone to soon, way before your time.
I shall miss not having had the time to get to know you better.
Rest from your sufferings, who knows what the future holds...
From the greatest joy comes the greatest suffering.
My love goes out to you.
just found this board late last night and can't stop reading, it's fascinating.. let me give you a quick background of myself.
i was born a jw, never baptized, was labeled bad association when i was 12 due to having all worldy friends and smoking, lol.
i was very confused how being that young i could be labelled as that but i was.
Hej Hatchetsup,
Welcome to the board. Sorry about your grandmother, it is hard to say goodbye...at least you got that chance.
To come back to your asking for help. I want to tell you about my brother. He is 48 and been a biker since he was 16, covered in tattoos, loves heavy rock and has lots of lovely girlfriends (2 kids as well). He is a lovely guy, heart of gold and would do anything for anyone.
We were brought up as Jws but my parents left the "truth" when he was 12, I stayed in for various reasons (fear, group acceptance, low self worth, hatred of my parents....many other reasons).
When my brother left her had his wild life and the topic of the witnesses we sidestepped to remain good friends. When I left after over 30 years of being a witness he was shocked to his core. He never believed I would stop, I was so IN... Well the conversations we had from that point on were very revealing. He still suffered from nightmares of armaggedon from the pictures in the old books. This is after 36 years!
My view now is that we were young and impressionable, we were taught that it truly was going to happen. We keep it deep inside of us the same as all the other lasting deep impressions in life are there. In times of stress or extreme difficulties many of the old insecurities pop up. The mind reverts quickly to the deepest memory and up it comes....I was in therapy for a while to understand just how it works. It means we subconsciously go back to those old "truths" to find meaning in our life crisis now. I went through this with recalling child abuse some years ago...the memories just pushed their way up even though I had blocked them.
So dont be too suprised by what is happening. Just do not make the mistake of believing what your memory is telling you. If you want to investigate the witnesses you can do it without a bible study with them, this board will help you. You may feel your life choices have been wrong, but there again they were your choices...at least you had that chance. Those staying with the witnesses give up all life choices and go into remote control.
Life is wonderful if you keep in mind that there are always the unknown things that can alter it from one day to the next.
After 45 years as a witness I can say I truly started living 2 years ago when I stopped and put it all behind me.
I wish you all the best in your quest.
Chicken little
i know i have been through all those stages, i denied it, then i got angry, definitely sad.
months and months of this, and i still am in for my family and friends.. but sometimes i just feel stupid.
why did i ignore basic common sense for so long?
My therapist told me that as a 2 year old I was ran over by a truck. That was his comparison for my parents accepting the Jw beliefs when I was so little. He said there was no way I could have reacted any differently, you believe your parents..full stop. I stayed a witness when they left..why? Because I felt like I belonged to a group that gave me an identity. My self worth was very low, coming from an abusive family, being a witness filled a need at the time. As the years past my doubts became more and more difficult to ignore. When I left I wanted to embrace strangers on the street and ask for forgiveness for judging them. I feel shame to think of how I thought about certain groups of people, now some of those groups are my dear friends. They have never once said a bad word about my past and what I was before. Amazing really. I think stupid is not the correct word...uninformed in general...a little better maybe?
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1637102.
did bethany have a choice?the father of a jehovah's witness who lost her life after refusing a blood transfusion is fighting back.
juliet guichon and ian mitchell, national post .
Excellent reporting. Thank you for posting it.
i have been on various boards the past decade.. i cannot help but see that in some respects, esp.
american jw ism is more extreme than its scandinavian counterpart, perhaps both ways.
of course this also has to do with the fact that in american society, religion plays a far greater role than in scandinavia... but it seems that its practiced in a more stern way in some parts in the u (e.g.
I agree that there are differences country to country and the general "feel" of the population towards religion can determine if there is a hardline or more lax.
I lived in the north of England and the small minded mentality was far different to that which I experienced when I moved to London. Then some years later we moved to Denmark and the english speaking congregation was a shock..it was so laid back!
The danes had light beer at their conventions for years...there was a lot of muttering when it was stopped. Sisters wear trousers in the winter on service (I have seen jeans and jogging bottoms). Beards ok. Longish hair ok. Backless dresses, seen it alot. Trainers for shoes, quite ok for youngsters. However if you travel across Denmark to the more conservative Jylland then everyone is small minded...my daughter was told off for wearing a beret to the meeting.
I often feel sorry for those poor brothers in hot countries that are forced to wear ties on service........in the bush!! I am sure some must rebel.
roll call, just as it is written i am not afraid what can man do to me.
my name is shane draney i live in ogden utah, i am supposed to be going to the roy city congregation but i am not going to so there!
but you never know since i was raised in it, its been hard to shed drinking the cool aid.. .
I am tooo chicken!